If not why do you feel in a position to judge? John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. as there are with me. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, MacArthur responded, "Go home." (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Required fields are marked *. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Name me one church that has handled everything well. PS. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. They drift from church to church. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. New International Version From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. What a waste of a fantastic talent. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. If that is the last word then so be it. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. 3. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Market data provided by Factset. Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. . In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Will you not come and revive us? For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) Could you tell me the difference? I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! Excellent post David. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. March 5, 2021 . When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. Matt. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. What am I gonna do? Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. It just looks weird. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. 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Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Hardly the same as Furticks message! If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. Conclusion: And now I wait. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? lq mk I surrendered to a calling of God. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. Simply not true. Pastor / Teacher. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. . But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. I'm a bank robber."[41]. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. But to me that is clear what it is. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Excellent post! He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. Jenna . It was not an accusation, nor an attack. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. So it wasnt all bad. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. Period. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Because he is a pastor? [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. what evidence do you have for that?). pokmon the series xyz. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. God is everywhereeven in the news. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. I have not misrepresented what you said. I will reply to them briefly. 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